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Welcome to Changing the Conversation: The people in insurance. Join us as we delve into the dynamic intersection of diversity, culture, and technological innovations within the insurance industry. Listen in as Host, Sarah Myerscough, Chief Ideas Officer at Macaii, sits down to talk with trailblazers, thought leaders, and innovators who are reshaping the very fabric of insurance. Here, we bring you stories that not only redefine the narrative but also offer a fresh perspective on the evolving landscape of insurance. From ground-breaking initiatives to transformative insights, we’re your trusted guide through the winds of change. Tune in to Changing the Conversation, brought to you by Macaii, and stay ahead of the curve in the ever-evolving world of insurance.
Episodes
Tuesday Apr 25, 2023
Tuesday Apr 25, 2023
Have you identified any inefficiencies in your business’ software which delay brokers’ dealings with clients?
What features would you like to see incorporated into broking Insurtech software?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re very pleased to be speaking with Nick Jordan, Managing Director of Nuworks Ltd, an Insurtech business providing new digital solutions for the industry. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Nick discusses the company’s new software, BrokerCentral, a bespoke platform which aims to streamline the broking experience and thereby facilitate more impactful broker-client interactions. He explains the origins of the software, its various features and how Nuworks hopes to develop it further in years to come.
Quote of the Episode
“Software is there to serve you, you're not there to serve the software. Most software in our industry seems to have this thing where if you want things to work in the way you want it to work, then you have to jump through a lot of hoops, you have to kind of really dig deep into the system, or you have to pay a lot of money to have that functionality provided. With BrokerCentral… we’ve got a really strong focus on customer experience and user interface design, to make it really easy, so that we don't have to give loads of training.”
Much of the software used in the broking sphere today was designed by software developers with little or no understanding of the needs and desires of brokers. As such, many of these platforms are difficult to navigate, with complex interfaces that require a considerable amount of training to master, and with various inefficient design features that ultimately slow down the user experience. The software your business uses must be more of a help than a hindrance to your brokers.
Key Takeaways
BrokerCentral has been built over the course of a decade, with a considerable amount of feedback from various guinea pig businesses to test its effectiveness. The platform ultimately aims to smoothen communication and the transmission of information between insurers and brokers. Thus, BrokerCentral enables you to work more efficiently, and to prioritise finding the best coverage for your customers.
Furthermore, we are now in the age of data. Thus, data accessibility and functionality are crucial to a streamlined insurance service. BrokerCentral locates and logs readily available client data on the behalf of brokers, saving them time by considerably reducing the need for manual data entry.
Nick notes that, unlike other Insurtech products already on the market, BrokerCentral will never be ‘finished’ in a traditional sense. It will always continue to be developed, incorporating feature requests, helping to further smoothen brokers’ journey with their clients. Nuworks seeks to constantly push for further innovation, and therefore the software is not a one-time product but a continually improving service.
He states that the three main benefits of using BrokerCentral are:
- It allows your team to do more in less time
- It provides a user experience that you can enjoy rather than endure
- It enables you to do more for your own customers, instead of being bogged down with manual data entry
If you’re in any doubt, check out the demo linked in the resources below! You can also have a chat with Nick who will be exhibiting BrokerCentral at Stand G31 at this year’s BIBA conference on 11th May!
Nuworks is also providing an offer for any prospective clients at the BIBA conference and listeners of this show! While the company would normally charge a £1000 onboarding fee for the BrokerCentral service to cover the cost of building documents, this will not be charged at all for listeners or BIBA attendees who get in touch.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“The whole point of BrokerCentral is to is to make it easy for brokers to do their work more efficiently, so that they can free their time up to do the customer service side of things and focus their attention on the things that they're really good at, which is keeping customers engaged and finding really good coverage for them.”
“We basically only ever present a list of questions that are relevant to the insurance that you've selected, and the kind of risk that you've inputted into the system. From that point, if you go to a portal, because all that information is now stored, you can just press a button, and it will just go down each field. And if it knows the information, if it sees a match, it will just enter it for you.”
“’What would probably take a half an hour to an hour before for a more complex risk now takes less than five minutes.”
Resources
Nuworks: https://www.nuworks.com/
BrokerCentral by Nuworks: https://www.nuworks.com/brokercentral
About the Guest
Nick Jordan is the Managing Director of Nuworks, an Insurtech business seeking to identify and facilitate ways of working in the insurance industry. With 10 years’ experience in and around the industry, he is an expert in digital solutions for brokers and insurers.
Nick’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-j-jordan/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography, and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Apr 11, 2023
Tuesday Apr 11, 2023
Is an over reliance on analytical and logical thinking stifling innovation in insurance? How can we help clients become more emotionally invested in the insurance they purchase, and why should we?
Welcome to the 100th episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, and the first to be recorded live! This week, we are celebrating this milestone by tackling some big questions with three titans of the industry – Sam White, Peter Blanc, and Steve White! In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, they discuss the dichotomy of ‘left brain’ (analytical, logical) and ‘right brain’ (creative, emotional) thinking. Bemoaning the industry’s general reliance on the former, they highlight the need for emotionally driven engagement with customer needs for insurers and brokers alike to truly innovate. Touching on all the major problems facing the industry today, including new regulatory pressures, the cost-of-living crisis, and recruitment difficulties, each of the guests emphasise how tapping into emotionally driven thinking can provide an alternative perspective from which to understand and tackle these issues.
Quote of the Episode
“Fundamentally, people don't care about insurance. And that's our fault. If we can't get people emotionally invested in what we're doing, then they do just think, [‘I’ll buy] whatever is cheaper’… Somebody will buy a life insurance policy online, just as a kind of, ‘I’d better grab that’. We need to learn how to evolve the product so that we can really get people to understand what they're buying in a digital world, as well as face to face.”
For many people not well-versed in industry jargon and technicalities, an insurance policy is often considered an grudge purchase. Despite the fact that policies are taken to protect their lives and livelihoods if disaster were to strike, there is often an emotional disconnect between the purchasing of a life insurance policy, for example, and an in-depth consideration of the reasons why one needs it. This is becoming increasingly challenging due to the digitisation of the insurance market, by which face-to-face discussions between clients and insurers are becoming eclipsed by the ease of doing it all online. Sam White argues that the insurance industry as a whole needs to improve its external communication in this regard, in order to crystallise in a prospective client’s mind, the potential consequences of taking out a lacking insurance policy, be it for their business, their car, or their life.
Key Takeaways
Increasing the educative role of insurers and brokers could be instrumental to curbing the public’s general disinterest in their insurance policies, and indeed, to reorienting the industry’s reputation in their minds. Communicating with customers on an emotional, rather than purely statistical level could be hugely beneficial to broadening the general understanding of what insurance is and why people need it, which people are often falsely assumed to automatically understand upon becoming adults despite being minimally, if at all, addressed during school education.
Additionally, a greater emphasis on the emotional, human element of insurance could help with the industry’s floundering recruitment efforts. Sam White suggests that emphasising the practicalities of insurance will quickly lose the interest of potential candidates. Alternatively, highlighting the ideology of insurance may be a great way to capture and retain their interest.
Peter Blanc asserts that there should be a moral overlay upon everything we do in insurance, which should assist in the navigation of when to deploy ‘left brain’ or ‘right brain’ thinking. As a result of the cost-of-living crisis, many people are looking to cut expenses wherever they can. In attending to this crisis, there needs to be a balance in both logical and emotional thought. There needs to be a balance in attending to this crisis. A customer’s primary concern may be cost, and using right brain/emotional thinking we may be driven to provide them with a cheaper policy. However, we must also use logical thinking – what will ultimately save the client money long term? If they need to make a claim, will this cheaper policy actually provide the help they need? Peter suggests that ‘we should fundamentally be providing products that enable people to go about their lives without undue risks’.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“People work for organisations that they want to work for, and that they enjoy being part of. Our job as leaders, I think, has changed enormously over the last few years. It's all about creating an environment where people want to work for us. Employers had the power 10 years ago. I'd say employees have the power now. And that's a much nicer place to be.”
“It's a problem that we haven't quite managed to deal with yet, actually how to communicate to customers in a way that they want to be communicated with. We still just inundate customers with utter nonsense: the renewal invites, the PDF documents with 80 pages that no one is ever going to read. And that's our standard mode of communication with customers, which I think is appalling and needs to change.”
“The big change will be that I think the regulator will expect us to deliver products that are going to work… We have to be talking to our customers truly understand what they need, and then make sure we're doing our job, so that when something does go wrong, they are looked after.”
Resources
The BIBA Pod: https://thebibaconference.org.uk/feed/podcast/
BIBA - BIBA Homepage - British Insurance Brokers' Association
Howden Group - Howden Broking Group - Global Website (howdengroup.com)
Stella Insurance AU - Stella Insurance - Insurance Provider for women in Australia
Stella Insurance UK - Home - Stella Insurance (withstella.co.uk)
Human Business with Sam White: https://www.spreaker.com/show/human-business
About the Guest
Sam White is the Founder and CEO of Stella Insurance, which launched in Australia in 2020 and launched in the UK in November 2022. A pioneer in the insurance industry, Sam is also host of the Human Business Podcast.
Sam’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-white-093b9b22/
Steve White is the CEO of the British Insurance Brokers Association (BIBA), with an extensive career in the insurance industry. He previously worked for Norwich Union, followed by a 21-year stint at Orion Insurance Company, a few years with the General Insurance Standards Council, and subsequently, the Financial Services Authority.
Steve’s LinkedIn Profile: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/steve-white-437107a
Peter Blanc is the Exec Chair for Howden UK and Ireland, and the CEO of Aston Lark. He founded Aston Lark by merging Aston Scott Group with Lark Group in 2017. The business has completed 56 acquisitions since then, and Peter subsequently sold the business to Howden. Aston Lark now leads the M&A drive for Howden.
Peter’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-blanc-0402961a/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography, and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Mar 28, 2023
Tuesday Mar 28, 2023
Are your staff all on the same page about your broader business strategy? How do you communicate this on both an individual and a collective basis? How can alterations to your comms process fructify recruitment?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re thrilled to be speaking with Phil Kelly, Managing Director of Pro Noctis Group. In the episode, Phil outlines the crucial importance of retaining ‘alignment’ within your business, by ensuring that your various teams and individuals are always aware of and actively contributing towards your company’s strategy. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, he emphasises that good communication is crucial to the alignment process, and notes that technology can be beneficial in this regard, but only if a channel suitable for your business is utilised.
Quote of the Episode
“The world's forever changing, and I think the way we embrace and engage our people really does pay dividends, if we can align it to what we're trying to achieve and communicate that effectively. More often than not, I think the people within an organisation are an afterthought, it's more ‘strategy first, and then they'll play catch up’. But actually, the biggest challenge to delivering progress or growth [is engaging staff], as part of the decision-making process.”
An organisation only functions through the work of the individuals within it. For Phil Kelly, it is crucial for the people at all levels of a business to be both well-informed about and involved in its decision-making. If you only treat the employees within your business as functionaries facilitating a broader strategy, they will only perform their roles as such. Alternatively, if you can engage your staff with consistent and encouraging internal messaging, repeatedly emphasising your broader goals, they will be more willing to roll up their sleeves when the business inevitably hits bumps in the road. People derive fulfilment and satisfaction from understanding how their contributions are facilitating the mechanism of the business, and focused messaging in this regard will pay dividends in both productivity and staff retention.
Key Takeaways
This form of engaging staff communication will also help with recruitment, a key issue currently facing the insurance industry. Contrary to common misconceptions about Generation Z, young people want to work, but they also want clarity about the nature of their prospective employers – who are you as an organisation? What are you trying to achieve? By communicating this, you can demonstrate to prospective employees what their goals would be, and the broader strategy they would be contributing to, which are key factors by which young people navigate the recruitment process.
Throughout this episode, Phil repeatedly returns to the term ‘alignment’, to articulate how easy it is for various teams to be functioning on splintered or even contradictory conceptions of their business’ overall strategy. It is essential that at every level of the business, there is a consensus of ‘Who are we as an organisation? What are our goals? How are we going to achieve them?’. Once this clear messaging has been delivered at all levels of the business, it becomes more resilient to the unpredictable impacts of external factors, namely the continuing socioeconomic turbulence we are facing.
The key to achieving and delivering alignment within your business is effective and consistent communication. This must be repeatedly reinforced, by ensuring that every team in the business, and every individual within those teams, is always clear on its overall strategy. To keep your staff engaged with this messaging, creating a warm and friendly environment is crucial. A productive office ecosystem in which everyone is engaged creates to a rewarding and collaborative work experience.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“As human beings, to get the best out of each other, we need to be a feeling that we are cared about, and we contribute, and we get regular feedback, good, bad and indifferent… If we really want to have that ecosystem of wellbeing and looking after each other, and really having a sort of a movement and working towards a goal, that's the type of effective leadership or management we need and that's not the role, obviously, of the CEO. They’re too far removed, but certainly, they should have an understanding with their senior or executive leadership team of what's going on with them rather than everything being transactional.”
“It fundamentally comes down to, ‘How do we have better conversations and create clarity in our messages?’ because that creates alignment.”
“Who are we as an organisation, as a team, what are we trying to achieve? And how do we go about our business? How do we behave and perform? When you get that aligned, you get congruence, and then when you're communicating those marketing messages, those key sales messages or even in the interviews, you're going to attract the right type of talent, and then all of a sudden, then you're going to have people making the right decision to come with you.”
Resources
Pro-Noctis - https://www.pro-noctis.com/
About the Guest
Phil Kelly is the Managing Director of Pro Noctis, a training and consultancy business which helps organisations to align their strategies and streamline day-to-day decision-making. He was previously a professional footballer, before working for 11 years in the RAF as a trainer and educator.
Phil’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phil-kelly-pro-noctis/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography, and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Mar 14, 2023
Tuesday Mar 14, 2023
What challenges are facing the high-net-worth insurance market in 2023? What key messages to brokers need to communicate to high-net-worth clients? Is the future bright for this sector?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re very pleased to be speaking with Jonathan Rouse, founding partner of Protect Underwriting. In this episode, he explains the various challenges currently facing the high-net-worth insurance market as a result of ongoing economic turbulence, and how brokers can help clients in this sector to better understand the cover they are purchasing and the dangers of underinsurance. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Jonathan shares his optimistic view of the future for this particular market, reflecting positively on the incoming Consumer Duty and the ever-growing opportunities for brokers and underwriters who operate in this specialist area.
Quote of the Episode
“I think that that communication challenge is the big one we see from brokers. [They ask] how they should engage policyholders in thinking about the correct sums insured that they need. And actually, helping them to evaluate that and make sure the policy is fit for purpose for them.”
Inflation is a significant challenge currently facing the insurance market as a whole. The cost of claims is rising, and consequently, so too is that of insurance cover. Jonathan argues that the onus is on brokers to ensure that their clients are well-informed about the need to provide sufficient and accurate information about their property, so that a suitable policy can be arranged for them.
Key Takeaways
In the high-net-worth market, it is crucial that policyholders’ cover remains aligned with current levels of inflation. The risks of underinsurance can be hugely financially damaging in the event of a claim. However, it can be difficult to navigate these conversations with customers, particularly in the high-net-worth area where policyholders are already paying high insurance premiums.
Jonathan notes that it is essential for brokers to explain to a customer in such a scenario that they need to buy more cover – it is not simply a matter of brokers and insurers asking for higher premium rates – it is in order to ensure that their cover is suitably raised, so that there will be no unexpected shocks in the event of a claim. Thus, it is key during these difficult discussions to reaffirm that you are attempting to deliver what the policyholder needs to continue to protect their property.
Furthermore, to have a productive conversation about policy renewal with a customer, brokers must be confident about the value that they are providing. Customers must be able to recognise the full extent of the service that they are receiving, which also includes advice and education which some clients may need to make better sense of their cover.
Jonathan also highlights the importance of brokers ensuring that they always have up-to-date information about their clients’ property, be it the security measures in place, if any building work is underway, or simply if their assets are increasing. Insurance isn’t a maintenance product, it exists for unexpected events that have been prepared for, but brokers need sufficient information so that protections against potential damages or losses can be built into their clients’ policies.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“The tricky thing for brokers to explain to a customer is that they're actually buying more cover, or they need to buy more cover. It's not necessarily about insurers wanting more money. It's about making sure that the cover goes up. And unfortunately, the price goes up with that. In difficult economic times, it's a challenging conversation. But I think most policyholders still want to get their insurance in the right way, and they want to be correctly insured.”
“Brokers have to be confident about what they're providing. They're not just providing a piece of paper and a premium attached to it. Part of what they provide is the service and the engagement, and that education piece. They're providing real advice to the customer. And I think a lot of customers get that.”
“I think consumer duty is a good thing… For most of the high-net-worth market, I would say that we're already extremely focused on customer outcomes. But obviously, we've got to make sure that we can demonstrate that, as a board, as a company, around our product governance and the service we provide, we already collect a lot of data to make sure that our policyholders are happy with our product, and that we're providing good value”
Resources
TIBP Episode 87 – The Creeping Effects of Water Damage with Miller Insurance – https://theinsurancebroker.podbean.com/e/087-the-creeping-effects-of-water-damage-with-miller-insurance/
About the Guest
Jonathan Rouse is one of the founding partners of Protect Underwriting, a specialist underwriting business focused on providing service directly to brokers. He has worked in insurance for his entire career of over 25 years.
Jonathan’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-rouse-6a30024b/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography, and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Feb 28, 2023
Tuesday Feb 28, 2023
How important is marketing for insurance businesses? Can it significantly boost your sales? What is the value of in-house or external marketing content writers and creators?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re thrilled to be speaking with the brilliant Lucy Mowatt, founder of bespoke agency Method Marketing. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, she explains why marketing is generally undervalued in regulated industries like insurance, and highlights five key challenges to marketing insurance products. She emphasises the personal element of marketing content as a potentially powerful means of humanising your brand, and how a combined marketing and sales strategy can create a significant impact in your business.
Quote of the Episode
“[In many insurance businesses] there is not necessarily a strategy from the top-down. So, marketing is more of a reactive activity rather than a proactive activity. There's no consistency with what's happening. Then things happen at the last minute, so it really does feel like there is not enough time to get everything done, because it's not in the plan or there's no time set aside for it.”
Lucy identifies a key problem with the marketing practices of many insurance businesses; that being that there is often a lack of an instructive strategy. It is often left to the last minute, reacting to changes in customer behaviours or broader industry trends, rather than remaining a step ahead. Hence, she argues that marketing must become more cohesively integrated into how insurance businesses conduct sales, and that the results of doing so are often highly fruitful.
Key Takeaways
Both Lucy and Sarah suggest that marketing and sales can hugely complement each other, if done well. However, marketing is arguably often undervalued and under-prioritised in insurance businesses, as it can be considered somewhat wishy-washy, while sales has a direct impact on the business’ bottom line. This is a significant underestimation of the value of marketing, but it must be done well in order to have a sizeable impact. It needs to be consistent, be it through social media posts on a regular basis, blogs uploaded to your website, or e-shot material. You cannot simply send out the same emails or upload the same posts and expect improved sales results. Conversely, your business needs to be constantly trying to expand who is receiving your message, and reiterating and re-expressing that message in new and interesting ways to maintain high engagement and thereby facilitating consistent or improved sales.
Is there a value to content writers? Or is AI-generated content such as that produced by ChatGPT and similar software the future? For Lucy, content writers aren’t going anywhere. The need for well-informed research and editing remains paramount. In a regulated industry, you need to know your sources and to be very careful with the information you put across. ChatGPT, by contrast, uses Wikipedia and other untrustworthy sources to generate ostensibly factual information, which in a regulated sector can be dangerous. Furthermore, the content it produces is collated from blogs, articles and posts that are already in the online ether. As such, it cannot provide any new takes, or offer any original insights or opinions. The human element to good marketing is key – it can be the difference between making and missing a sale.
Lucy highlights five key challenges to marketing insurance:
- Finding time – for your marketing to make a significant impact, it needs to be a priority within your business, and integrated into your broader sales strategy.
- Tech integration vs legacy data – CRM data analysis can be hugely beneficial to creating targeted marketing content, but many insurance businesses rely on old technology, and retain huge banks of legacy data. Transitioning to the use of this new software and streamlining your data can facilitate smoother client communications, and enable your marketing to be much more fruitfully focused on your target market.
- Use of jargon – it is key to make sure that your communications are clear and informative, but the insurance industry deals with concepts and terminology that is often unfamiliar to a layperson, and which can be alienating and confusing if found in your marketing content.
- Reporting marketing statistics – it is difficult to determine exactly how well your marketing spend is being delivered upon. Lucy argues that the engagement rate of social media posts and the subsequent traffic to your website can be a very strong indicator of good marketing material.
- Compliance – your marketing and compliance teams need to communicate with each other to ensure that the right message is always being put across to your existing and prospective clients.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“A lot of times with our clients, what we'll say is, ‘You are the experts in what you do in insurance, but we are the marketing communication specialists. So, if we work together, we can help create something that will speak to the layperson who's not in the industry in a way that they will understand and be able to apply it to their life or their business.’ So, they understand the benefits. Sometimes you don't realise that not everybody knows about a particular term or what a particular term means.”
“If your readers don't get it, you switch them off. A lot of the time, people won't persevere because they don't want to feel like they’re stupid. You lose them at that point.”
“I think the average is something like 3% engagement rate on most social media channels. So, if you can get anything above that, that's fantastic. We've seen like certain posts do 45% engagement rates, or like on a one off, which I think is fantastic. Aiming for 5% or higher, I think is a good aim, and [you can] learn from what works.”
Resources
Solve For Happy: Engineer Your Path to Joy by Mo Gawdat, former Chief Business Officer at GoogleX
About the Guest
Lucy Mowatt is the founder of Method Marketing, a content marketing agency based in Norwich. The agency specialises in working with clients in regulated and compliance-heavy industries, because they have very specific needs around writing articles, website content, and podcasting. Before establishing Method, her previous role was in-house marketing at an insurance broker.
Lucy’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucymowatt/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of marketing experience and a fresh perspective on marketing in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance brokers to offer solutions to business development ceilings, particularly in the rapidly developing fields of video marketing and thought leadership.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/v
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Feb 14, 2023
Tuesday Feb 14, 2023
Are you concerned about the rapid acceleration of technology implementation across the insurance industry? Are you unsure how new Insurtech solutions can help brokers in delivering for their clients?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we are very pleased to be speaking with Natalie Sankala, Operations Director of TCi Futures. Originally an Insurtech-oriented research and development arm of Thomas Carroll Group, the business has since grown into a subsidiary in its own right, exploring new technology solutions for brokers and developing exciting new platforms for businesses. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Natalie discusses the origins of TCi Futures and how it intends to develop, in simultaneity with the increased incorporation of technology across the insurance industry. She highlights the importance of growing your technological understanding and capability for futureproofing your business.
Quote of the Episode
“We have to be led by the changing needs of the clients and customer. And I think that's kind of where we came from – we understand the world around us is changing, and it's changing a lot faster than any of us could have anticipated. So, we have to put those changing needs first. I believe that we're seeing that kind of next generation of decision makers, and we need to understand how and where they want to transact where they want to do business. I'm quite passionate about creating this human centred business, with the digital toolkit so that we can be more efficient, we can automate our processes and really add value to all of our day jobs. So that, you know, we're giving that advice and the human touch where it's most important.”
Natalie notes that TCi Futures aims to be a ‘human-centred business’, armed with a ‘digital toolkit’ to remain atop of incumbent technology trends within the industry. She calls for a similar strategy for brokers, who need to acquire a suitable knowledge and understanding of technology to keep ahead in the market, and to maintain efficiency in their processes in order to deliver the best solutions they can for clients. Even as the industry increasingly incorporates, and becomes increasingly reliant upon technology, Natalie maintains that the customer must always come first in all decision-making, and that technology must be used in order to facilitate the human interactions that remain quintessential to insurance.
Key Takeaways
Natalie highlights that the insurance industry remains traditionalist in many respects, with many legacy systems to deal with. Thus, the opportunities of Insurtech, using new software and technologies to streamline the services we offer as an industry are bountiful and hugely exciting, and do not mean that the prioritisation of customer needs and human interaction need be lost. Technology needs to first and foremost be used to make the deliverance of this service more efficient and user-friendly for customers.
However, it does require brokers to use some different skills, and to acquire new knowledge. Natalie notes that in an Insurtech business, you become not just insurance professionals, but also technology experts. TCi Futures have taken on their first full stack developer, signalling the opportunities for increased collaboration between insurance and technology businesses, enabling a change in mindset about how insurance does and ought to work.
TCi are becoming quite independent from Thomas Carroll Group, and believe that they have a role to play in educating and supporting other brokers through the changes that new technologies will bring in the years to come. Broking is due to transform, and Insurtech platforms and solutions will be at the forefront of that transition.
While most brokers are used to having traditional conversations around business risk, TCi Futures want to broaden this, to explore more generally what’s troubling brokers within their businesses and how, through the use of technology, smart platforms and software, TCi can help. If you’re facing challenges and pain points that could be curbed with technology, get in touch with Natalie today – her contact details are below!
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“What we've realised now is that through technology, and also having the right people around us, that actually anything is possible. So, we can kind of go ahead with that blank piece of paper and put those plans into practice.”
“What I've learned, and kind of the biggest challenge really is that we can come now collide some very different skills. So as an example, we've taken on our very first full stack developer. It allows us to become not just insurance people, but we can now become quite technical in our conversation. So, I think bringing together these very different worlds is very exciting, whilst challenging. We have some mindsets to change.”
“It's about putting our people first. We really have to be listening to our clients, our colleagues, business friends. So, let's remember that whilst the technology is excellent, it's not going to work unless we have the right people around us.”
Resources
TCi Futures - https://www.tcifutures.co.uk/
Thomas Carroll Group - https://www.thomascarroll.co.uk/
About the Guest
Natalie Sankala is the Operations Director of TCi Futures. She has worked with Thomas Carroll for just over nine years, in sales, marketing and development. Through TCi Futures, she aims to disrupt the industry in a progressive way, to broaden the scope of what is possible through technology, by putting time and resources into exploring ways of doing things differently.
Natalie’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-sankala-b8690676/
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About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography, and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
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Tuesday Jan 31, 2023
Tuesday Jan 31, 2023
How are electric vehicles (EVs) likely to reshape the car insurance market in the next few years? How should you advise your clients around the use of EVs from an insurance perspective?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re very pleased to be speaking with Steven Williams and Rob Durbin, who are both at the forefront of Direct Line Group’s evolving strategy for and assessment of the electric vehicle market. In this revealing and informative conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Steven and Rob reveal the fallacies in many common beliefs about how electric vehicles work, and dispel many outdated notions regarding the safety and reliability of the technology. Furthermore, they explain how the insurance market must adapt in order to facilitate manufacturers’ rapid transition towards electric vehicles, in light of the impending ban on the manufacturing of ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles in the UK, in 2030. Listen now to hear their fascinating insights into this rapidly evolving market for both consumers and business owners.
Quote of the Episode
‘Cars are becoming computers on wheels.’
The technology behind EVs is extraordinary, and has undergone rapid evolution since these vehicles were introduced to the mass market around ten years ago. As such, there remain some prevailing myths regarding the safety and efficiency of these vehicles. Fears of the car battery losing charge and anxieties about not being able to find a charging station whilst on the road continue to prevent many drivers from taking the leap to electric vehicles. Yet, at full charge, most new EV releases are capable of running for 200 miles or more. Most drivers, especially post-pandemic, don’t travel all that much, and therefore this mileage capacity is more than sufficient. Nonetheless, the EV industry isn’t without its growing pains.
Key Takeaways
Electric vehicles are an emerging risk. They are relatively new to the market, at least on a wide scale, as they work very differently from ICE vehicles. While the electric vehicle market is the only motor market that grown in the last 18 months, there remains a generalised perception that they are hugely expensive. This is compounded by the costs of insurance, which are particularly high for electric vehicles. A key reason for this is due to the fact that, in the event of an incident causing damage to the car battery, it will be immediately decommissioned. An EV battery can be worth as much as 75% of the cost of the vehicle. Consequently, insurers face higher claims costs if and when EVs are involved in accidents, leading to higher premiums for customers to pay.
Nonetheless, EVs are undoubtedly safer than ICE vehicles, and they typically include many advanced safety features to significantly reduce the risk of accidents on the road. This technology undoubtedly presents great opportunities for manufacturers, insurers and consumers alike, with advancements in vehicle safety and efficiency and improvements in the speed of insurance resolutions already underway. Yet, there are still great costs to account for.
However, there are alternative methods for becoming an EV driver available. New ‘usership’ models are currently being developed, which mirror the basic premise of a subscription service, by which you play a fixed monthly fee, including maintenance costs, insurance and tax, for access to an EV. This new market is experiencing a significant buzz, enabling drivers to use these environmentally friendly vehicles at a much lower cost overall and at great convenience. Salary sacrifice schemes are also available, granting companies a more affordable means of granting their employees access to an EV fleet.
There remain a lot of unknowns in the EV world. While the car insurance industry has decades of history with ICE vehicles, we have only 10 years of data and understanding to inform decision-making about electric vehicles. As such, insurance professionals are learning all the time, but adaptation to what will in future be an EV-dominated market remains a work in progress.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“Although EVs have been around since about 2013, they are probably considered nothing new at the moment. What is new is the apparent rise in their popularity and numbers and affordability. That's being driven primarily for a few different avenues. There's a lot more conscientiousness in the public around climate change. Also, the cost of living, cost of fuel prices, especially last year, was driving a lot of people to shift to EVs.”
“For ICE vehicles, we have decades and decades worth of information. On EVs, it goes back to 2013. So, every month, we're learning and there's so many more models of EV that are going to come out in the next three, four or five years. Certain manufacturers are only going to be delivering ICE vehicles from 2025-2026 ahead of the legislation in 2030, which says you can no longer sell ICE vehicles, it has to be a plugin, either hybrid or, or [electric].”
“Clean air is the ultimate benefit of all this. Therefore, if we can help our customers make that transition, that's good for them, good for us, but also good for the wider environment.”
Resources
Direct Line – A Complete Guide to Electric Car Insurance: https://www.directline.com/car-cover/magazine/electric-car-insurance
Direct Line – Electric Made Easy: https://www.directline.com/car-cover/electric/electric-made-easy
About the Guest
Steven Williams is the lead of Direct Line Group’s EV strategy. In this role he assesses and coordinates EV activity across the business, giving a voice to EV drivers and thereby ensuring that the company’s decisions are futureproofed as this technology becomes increasingly popular and accessible in years to come.
Steven Williams’ LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-williams-4978a213/
Rob Durbin works in the commercial side of Direct Line Group as the dedicated EV and flexible fleet underwriter for the business. In this role, he assesses Direct Line’s decision-making with regard to EVs from an underwriting perspective.
Rob Durbin’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robdurbin88/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. As the founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
094: Meet the MGA Market 2023 with Mike Keating - MGAA
Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
Tuesday Jan 24, 2023
What are the benefits of networking with MGAs? What is the ‘Meet the MGA Market’ event, and why should you attend?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re thrilled to welcome back Mike Keating for his third episode! This time, in conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, he discusses the MGAA’s upcoming ‘Meet the MGA Market’ event. It will be held on the 1st of March at the Mercure Manchester Piccadilly Hotel, five minutes from the station. It’s undeniable that the industry is currently facing challenging market conditions. As such, the opportunity to forge new relationships in order to better navigate this turbulence, and thereby continue to provide positive outcomes for customers, cannot be understated. The ‘Meet the MGA Market’ event enables brokers to speak to a vast array of exhibiting MGAs about their product lines and expertise, and to discuss opportunities for partnership moving forward.
Quote of the Episode
“The importance this event cannot be undervalued, because from a broker lens, they have the opportunity to engage with MGAs, they already work with, but also to explore new relationships with MGAs, who are basically showcasing their very wide and diverse specialist product ranges, their service delivery, all these attributes, which MGAs have been doing successfully for many, many years. Given that the association and its members tend to about 90% deal with the broker community, is a fantastic opportunity for those key stakeholders to be in one room to network, to talk about the market, to talk about, from a broker perspective, their customers’ needs.”
Everyone has been struck by the economic challenges currently facing the market. Customers know that there is no cutting corners with insurance, but brokers and MGAs together can work to secure the best outcomes possible within these parameters. As such, the ‘Meet the MGA Market’ event offers a great opportunity for brokers and MGAs to forge new relationships, with which they can strategize to deliver for the customer.
Key Takeaways
At the event, MGAs will be exhibiting, and brokers will be free to take a look around and speak to as many MGAs as they see fit. No one will be corralled into a room and forced to endure endless PowerPoint presentations. The purpose of the event is for brokers and MGAs to network and forge new connections. For Mike, face-to-face networking is crucial to the industry, which is largely contingent upon good communication. He notes that, in previous years, the event has been held online, which was satisfactory but failed to create the same energy and impact as in-person interactions often do. We can now really cherish the opportunity to network in-person and to get the most out of these events. Both Sarah and Mike spoke to a significant ‘buzz’ at the MGAA capacity exchange last year which they both expect to be replicated at the ‘Meet the Market’ event in March.
Don’t miss out! If you haven’t yet booked your ticket, there’s no time like the present. Participant numbers are growing day by day, and MGA members have demonstrated great interest in meeting prospective broker partners. To book your ticket, you can find the link in the ‘Resources’ section below.
Additionally, Sarah will be a roving reporter at the event, so please come and have a chat! We will be recording interviews throughout the day, and would love to hear from you. We want to know why you’re at the event, what you’re hoping to get out of it, the challenges you and your customers are currently facing. We hope to capture the spirit of the event and to fuel and record great conversations!
Best Moments/Key Quotes
‘It's always a fantastic event in terms of bringing MGA members and the broker community together for the benefit, ultimately, of the end customers.’
‘This is all time for the most important people in that room, which are MGAs and the brokers.’
“I think the value of face-to-face networking and events is really an amplified when we couldn't do it as an industry during COVID. I also think that the industry is supporting these events even more than they did pre-COVID, because they now identify and recognise the value of them.”
“The Meet the Market event brings together the MGA community and the broker community. 90% of the association's membership deals with broker distribution. That allows MGAs to both engage with existing broker relationships which they enjoy, but also gives opportunities to showcase their products and their underwriting expertise to brokers who perhaps may not be aware of them.”
Resources
Click here to register for the ‘Meet the MGA Market’ Event: https://meetthemarket2023.eventreference.com/
MGAA – Meet the MGA Market 2023: https://www.mgaa.co.uk/meet-the-mga-market-2023/
About the Guest
Mike Keating is the CEO of the Managing General Agents’ Association (MGAA), having previously held executive positions at AXA, UK General and Claims. Throughout his 35 years’ experience in the industry, he has worked for insurers, brokers and MGAs in both commercial and personal lines markets.
Mike’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-keating-230b8424/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective on communication in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance professionals to build effective communication both internally and externally through podcasting, event reporting, videography and internal communications facilitation.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Jan 17, 2023
Tuesday Jan 17, 2023
Do you often find yourself inhibited from making progress by a lack of confidence in your own abilities? Are you unsure of what strategies to implement to improve your self-confidence and maintain it when the going gets tough? What is the correlation between good physical health and mental wellbeing?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re honoured to be speaking with Sally Gunnell OBE, champion athlete and holder of Olympic, World, European and Commonwealth titles in 400m hurdles and 400m relay. Sally now gives talks to businesses about positive mindset and productivity, and in this episode she shares her advice for maintaining good physical health and mental wellbeing. In conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Sally explains the importance of setting achievable goals, the power of visualisation, and strategies for combatting and overcoming low self-confidence and negative self-talk.
Quote of the Episode
“The difference between being okay at what I did and actually excelling was around self-belief, belief in your inability, that whole power of visualisation, and mental strength… I often used to say, when I was running, there wasn't a lot between all of us in that final, when it came to technical side of it, or strength or speed, but the mental side was massive. And that's what allowed me to win on those four major championships.”
Throughout the episode, Sally frequently reiterates the power of visualisation as a tool not only for progressing towards your goals, but also achieving them and continuing to excel beyond them. She argues that taking five minutes out of your day to visualise the achievement of your goal, whatever it might be, not only serves as a huge boost to your motivation, but also hardens your resolve and boosts your self-confidence. This emphasises that your success is not just possible, but achievable through continued effort, and thus it serves as a powerful tool for combatting negative self-talk and a lack of belief in your abilities.
Key Takeaways
However, Sally also notes that visualisation cannot be solely focused on achieving the perfect outcome. As with all things in life, and the insurance industry is no exception, you will inevitably encounter setbacks and roadblocks to your success. As such, your visualisation process must include the prospect of these setbacks, but also your perseverance through them and achieving your goal in spite of them.
Yet, we cannot foresee everything that might occur as we strive towards our goals; it is impossible to visualise every possible series of events. Sometimes unexpected setbacks occur. Sally suggests that positive thinking is crucial to persevering through these. It is essential to accept when setbacks occur and issues arise, and to maintain a positive outlook. You cannot allow yourself to lose sight of your goals because of external circumstances you can’t control. As such, you have to learn to trust yourself enough to recognise when you’re facing a tough situation, and continue to keep sight of your goals and identify silver linings that can help you to continue moving forward.
For Sally, goalsetting on both large and small scales is very important to maintaining a positive mindset. In setting yourself small goals throughout your day of things you want to achieve, you will gain a sense of fulfilment upon completing them, giving you the drive and energy to work towards your broader, long-term goals. She also emphasises the importance of not overloading oneself with too many goals at once. Your goals need to be realistic and achievable, and you can’t set yourself too many within a short time frame, otherwise you are effectively setting yourself up for disappointment and frustration, which will counterbalance the otherwise positive impacts of establishing goals for your wellbeing.
Sally offers three main top tips for optimising your wellbeing and productivity:
- Exercise – frequent exercise is scientifically proven to improve your mental wellbeing through the release of endorphins.
- Mobility – keeping yourself moving throughout the day, either through stretches, short walks, or brief bursts of exercise will secure long term physical fortitude which cannot be achieved by maintaining a sedentary position all day.
- Positive mindset – it is key to recognise what you are capable of achieving, and to reward yourself when you make progress towards your goals and ambitions.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
‘Just looking at those little, tiny elements that seem so insignificant around food or sleep or exercise – it all adds up to that bigger picture of how we deal with life and deliver what we're all capable of being able to do.’
‘Knowing what you want to achieve, however big, however small it is, is a massive motivator.’
‘Everybody needs to be active and can be active, whatever ability, whatever shape you are, it's just finding something that you can physically do. And I think that is a very strong piece for your mental wellbeing and optimising your age.’
Resources
Sally Gunnell - https://www.sallygunnell.com/
Whitecalm - https://www.whitecalmvirtual.com/
About the Guest
Sally Gunnell OBE is the only British female athlete to have won all four major sporting titles – Olympic, World Championship, Commonwealth and European. She now works in the health and wellbeing sector as an advocate, sharing her knowledge and experience as an athlete. She gives talks on wellbeing and mindset to businesses, helping them to support the wellbeing of their employees.
Sally’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallygunnell/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of marketing experience and a fresh perspective on marketing in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance brokers to offer solutions to business development ceilings, particularly in the rapidly developing fields of video marketing and thought leadership.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation
Tuesday Jan 03, 2023
Tuesday Jan 03, 2023
Are you intrigued by how machine learning and AI could soon transform the insurance market?
Are you starting a new business and looking for some inspiration?
In this episode of the Insurance Broker Podcast, we’re thrilled to be speaking with Armin Kia, CEO and co-founder of Driverly, a car insurance subscription service which uses machine-learning software to calculate insurance prices tailored to drivers’ individual habits behind the wheel. In this fascinating conversation with Boston Tullis’ Sarah Myerscough, Armin explains how finding a like-minded team was key to Driverly’s rapid entry to the market and expansion. Furthermore, he explains how the layering of different kinds of data simultaneously can create insurance solutions which fairly and accurately meet the needs of customers, perhaps paving the way for a future of the industry to which data is the key.
Quote of the Episode
“I think customers are open to sharing their data if there is a good value exchange for them. And by value exchange, I don't mean just price. Yes, price is important. But for a case like ours, where everything is built around that data, I think there's a very good reason for collecting the data.”
Driverly works by collecting data about a driver’s behaviour on the road in real time, via an app installed on the user’s phone, which is equipped with highly accurate motion sensors. With the user’s permission, this data is layered with information on weather and road conditions to create a highly accurate profile of a driver’s habits, from which a pricing structure for their car insurance can be built. In this way, the platform more fairly determines how much drivers should be paying for their insurance relative to their ability and safety behind the wheel, and it rewards them for their good driving via vouchers and discounts. Ultimately, the app demonstrates that people are willing to share their data if you can demonstrate that you will use it wisely, and to customers’ advantage and benefit.
Key Takeaways
In its customer-driven approach, Driverly attempts to uproot the conventional manner in which car insurance is sold by using AI and machine learning to calculate the best possible price for customers. As the car insurance market is driven by broad and often misleading demographic data which unfairly represents certain groups, especially young and new drivers, Driverly seeks to fill the gap by calculating prices individually tailored to you.
This flexibility is accentuated by its monthly subscription model. Unlike conventional annual car insurance policies, this grants customers the freedom to cancel their insurance as and when they wish. Yet, this is not only advantageous to the customer. The constant stream of real-time driving data from a user’s phone grants the company flexibility to adjust prices based on this new data as it is received.
The company was founded with three central pillars: Customer, Data, and Technology. These pillars drove the way in which new employees were onboarded, leading to the curation of a well-rounded team of enthusiastic individuals who share the same common vision. As Sarah notes in the episode, finding great people can be a business’ biggest challenge, and also its greatest achievement. Everyone has their own subjective ideas of how things should operate within a business, with their own emotional perspectives and outlooks. As such, to unite a cohesive team, particularly in such a short space of time as Driverly achieved, is a remarkable achievement.
Best Moments/Key Quotes
“I think putting together a team is always a challenge in the startup world. You don't have a big firm and the sort of stability that comes with it. And it's always a leap of faith; even though you're paid, and you're an employee, you're always trusting a startup when you join them.”
“Every single piece of data that we collect is built into the bread and butter of our proposition. So, we use that data to give something back to the customer. We give them feedback on how they drive, we show them their score, in terms of using their phone, acceleration, braking speed.”
“Every feature we have on the app is designed to improve the loss ratio, to improve the risk of customers having an accident, by incentivizing them, and reminding them about how they drive and giving them tips. We have a driver to club where they can compete. So, we get to take the gamification to the next level, by creating some peer pressure to improve driving behaviour as well. So, all of that is designed to improve the loss ratio and improve the claims performance.”
‘If data is at the core of what you do, then you design your processes, your technology, everything around it.’
Resources
https://www.driverly-insurance.co.uk/
About the Guest
Armin Kia is the CEO and co-founder of Driverly, a car insurance platform established in 2021, offering flexible prices on a monthly subscription basis. An entrepreneur making huge waves in the Insurtech world, Armin is well-placed to speak to how technology will soon, and is already, transforming the way we approach and use insurance.
Armin’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/armin-kia-16951239/
About the Host
Sarah Myerscough is the Sales and Marketing Director of Boston Tullis Group. The founder of The Insurance Brokers Podcast, she brings a wealth of marketing experience and a fresh perspective on marketing in the insurance sector. Boston Tullis works with insurance brokers to offer solutions to business development ceilings, particularly in the rapidly developing fields of video marketing and thought leadership.
Website: https://bostontullis.co.uk/
Evaluation Link: https://s.bostontullis.co.uk/s/podcastevaluation